Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Hello.

The following is a rough transcript from my introduction video, which you can find below.  In the coming weeks and month I am planning on logging every hour I work as a teacher. I do so in the hopes of demonstrating that a ten week break this summer does not mean I work or am worth less than any private sector job. If you're a teacher I'd like not only your attention, but also for you to join me. Years ago I tried this, but did so anonymously and alone. I figure adding some accountability and the attention of others will force me to follow through this time. Thanks for your time, and come back for updates!



My name is Charles Ripley and it’s the first day of summer. I just finished my fifth year as a High School English teacher.  I work with amazing, dedicated colleagues.  My students are intelligent and hard working.  I live in a community that values education. This is my dream job. But, despite all that, I have a confession to make.

I don’t know if I can go another five.

Don’t get me wrong.  I know I’m lucky to be employed and that there’s hundreds who would take my job. 

So ask yourself…why would he be considering turning his back on the past ten years of his life to settle down to an entry level business job?

I’m not alone.

According to the NEA, half of new teachers quit by the time they’re in the profession for five years or less. Half.  Imagine if half of doctors or lawyers or engineers quit after five years.  Reasons for this are various.  Low pay, long hours, and burn out.

This year has been especially perplexing.  Nationwide I’ve seen a harsh attack on my profession.  We’ve become solely responsible for budget shortfalls or failing students.  Teacher’s unions have become targets for politicians and documentaries.

Some of what they say is true.

There are bad teachers. There are students who we fail to teach.  There is corruption in education, from the highest administrators to the newest employees.  Teachers are part of the problem.  But we are not wholly to blame.

For me, the time to speak up has come. I can only speak for myself, but I believe what I’m willing to say is on the minds of most teachers.

We are not over paid.
Tenure needs reform, not removal.
We want to be held accountable, but not by test scores.
We do not work fewer hours than you.

It’s that last point I’m most bitter about, to be honest. Yes, it’s summer, and I’m excited for the chance to rest.  But I’m also anxious, and a little resentful. I know that most arguments, debates, or conversations about teachers boil down to “summers off.”

It’s the invincible defense.  How am I, or you to respond?  “No, I don’t have ten weeks off?”  I want to end the misconceptions about the quality and quantity of a teacher’s work. 

For the next year I invite you to follow me.  I’ll be on youtube, facebook, twitter, and blogspot.  I will log every single hour I spend teaching, coaching, grading, and furthering my own education.  I believe it will reach, and probably surpass 2,000 hours.

I believe that over the span of a year, despite weekends, despite holidays or summer break, I put in as many hours as any private sector job.  And I’d like to invite my fellow teachers in logging our time.

So, starting on your first day of summer vacation, log one year’s time of work, whether it’s continuing education, classroom hours, grading, or coaching.  In the meantime I’ll be working on how to collect and present this data in the most effective way possible.

I know this idea may seem petty, cynical, or even childish. I can only assure you that that’s not my intention. I’m not a great teacher, and I know there are many people who work harder than I do.  I just want to share my story and hopefully change your mind about the nation’s teachers.

Thank you for your time and consideration. You can also e-mail me at 2000hours@gmail.com. Please like, follow, retweet, and share this message with every teacher in your life.  We’ll need all of their help.

Thank you, and enjoy your summer.


61 comments:

  1. I commented at reddit, but I wanted to add that I think projects like this that publicize what teachers really do are great. Teaching is such a lonely, isolated job. I also like the idea of grading flash mobs ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/macsd/5714030469/ ) because they demonstrate to the public what teachers do.

    I think I'm going to try to do this too, but I don't know if I can stay organized.

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  2. This is great. I strongly support teachers but agree with you that there are reforms that need to happen. This will be a great educational tool for those of us who want to know both sides of the argument. Keep it up. Good luck.

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  3. I'm looking forward to following your experiment. Your blog reminds me of a situation I found myself in a few months back. It's a good example of just why your blog is so important. Here's my teacher story - http://rs.gs/RJ

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  4. Hi Charles,

    I'm a teacher from Germany. It's astounding and equally frightening that you colleagues across the pond have to face the exact same prejudices as we do.

    I'll keep following your blog. Good luck with the project!
    Anne

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  5. I am spreading the word. And I will start my log tomorrow!

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  6. It's as if you read my mind. I've been teaching for 18 years, my husband has been a teacher for 22 years. We never thought we'd see the day that teachers were blamed for the economic collapse of the country. It's actually a little beyond comprehension, really.
    I'm so proud of you for trying to show the reality of a teacher's life.
    Best of luck to you!

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  7. First, I think this is a great idea. Second, it would be even better if hundreds or even thousands of teachers do this at the same time. The key is to keep it simple. Maybe a website where people can log their hours or a simple printable logbook? Love the idea and I'm thinking of doing this too.
    Scott Nailor - (Interactive Language Arts)

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  8. Count me in. I have a couple of weeks until my "summer vacation" (if I can call it that, since I teach summer school)

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  9. Excellent post that touches upon many vital topics and misperceptions among far too many Americans.

    May I also note that Americans, across the board, work too hard and receive far too little vacation time. Instead of hating English teachers for having summer vacations, it would be far healthier and wiser for over-stressed, over-worked American workers to insist on longer paid vacations that are common in Western and Northern Europe. The entire work-family balance seems seriously off-kilter for millions of Americans.
    Or so it seems to me.

    By the way, Huffington Post had an excellent post on this topic today.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-robinson/vacation-time_b_868655.html

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  10. I'm definitely interested! Summer vacation starts in one day for me. I'd love to know best practices to keep track of time.

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  11. Hi Charles,
    I'm a teacher from Russia and I'm very surprised that the teachers all over the world have the same problems! We are also blamed in different things. Your idea is great!
    Thanks for starting such a project.I think I'll join it.

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  12. As an untenured university professor of EFL in Mexico I would like to join in, but I am often so busy I don't know if I could find the time to post regularly. Oooo, that wasn't meant to be funny, and it isn't. I think that with a system in place it would be easier.

    Summer vacation doesn't come until July 8th, and then sumer school for me starts July 11th, going on until August....what summer vacation?
    Ellen

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  13. Outstanding! Well done...really looking forward to reading your posts.
    Lee

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  14. I too am interested in the results of these logs. Especially to see the breakdown to between actual teaching of students, and all other activities.

    I understand prep time, and grading are important parts of the teaching process. But 'coaching'? How's that part of the job of a teacher? Do teachers get 'extra' pay for coaching? Or is that part of what is expected? If so, do ALL teachers coach?

    Please don't count continuing education as part of your 'work time'. Staying current on technology and ongoing training in your field is just expected in any profession. Not many get paid for learning. That's your own time.

    The law of supply and demand works everywhere else in our economy. Why can't Math & Science teachers get paid more?

    You also can't count the days for 'Teacher's Union Days'...

    I'd also be very interested in your (and other teacher's) thoughts on how to evaluate how well a teacher does. Perhaps if not test scores... what metric would you like to be graded on? Your students are all graded - what should be the criteria for grading teachers?

    I'm proud of you for starting this discussion, and open enough to document your choices throughout the days. Good for you!

    I don't see any way teachers are in any way responsible for the economy in the US. But you can't tie that complaint back to 'summers off'. Because it's not just summers off, but all days off, all vacations over Christmas, Spring Break, holidays, etc.

    Even if you *do* get to 2,000 hours, and I'd be shocked to see you get even close, that's just a bare minimum for most professional jobs these days. Most successful folks I know are closer to 50 hours a week than 40...

    Just remember to count required hours that are directly related to TEACHING.

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  15. Whilst I agree with a couple of Keith Parsons points (union days and the difficulty of assessing teachers' work), I want to point a few problems with his restrictions.

    Firstly, whether coaching is paid or not, it is still part of the teacher's working hours; are you suggesting that a policeman who gets overtime should not count that time towards the hours worked in a week? Having said that, in my experience, most schools expect a certain amount of coaching/extra-curricular work as part of the basic package.

    Secondly, regarding Continuing Professional Development (CPD), there is a difference between informal CPD and formal training. I agree that it is perhaps part of my responsibility as a professional to keep up to date with industry standards and latest trends, time which should probably not be counted as working hours (although many people in many jobs, including teaching don't bother with doing this at all. However, there are degrees of CPD, from the on-line discussion forum to the training weekend. Also, you have to remember that in most cases teachers are public employees so you cannot compare the reading done by a lawyer or IT consultant which benefits his or her career to the reading done by a teacher in order to keep up to date (by the way it is not just trends in teaching, as a history teacher I have to read extensively to keep up to date with the history). You have to ask how much time the average public employee spends on informal CPD and compare like with like.

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  16. Hi Charles
    I'm a teacher in France and it is interesting to see that teacher "bashing" is going global !

    I'd like to pick up on a couple of remarks made by Keith (the remark about union days is really just a bit silly!).
    Continuing education IS a part of the job - even though as historysic points out, the payback for a lawyer keeping up to date and a teacher are not comparable in purely economic terms. When I spend my Sunday reading about how to improve my pupils vocabulary acquisition skills – I'm not doing it because I've got nothing better to do !!!

    Which brings me to the question how to evaluate a teacher ? If it was that easy don't you think it would already have been done ?
    How do you evaluate the cost and profit of teaching a child to read and count ? How would you take into account the cost of educating children from a difficult backgrounds and the cost of not educating them?
    What is the cost for a nation of not educating its children ?
    As a well-know writer Victor Hugo said «Open a school and you close a prison *» - how you cost that one ?
    Good luck Charles with your venture and don't forget we do one of the most wonderful jobs !!
    Helen
    (France)
    *Ouvrir une école, c'est fermer une prison.

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  17. Teachers in the UK are facing exactly the same conditions as you are. I have also worked out that we do the same number of hours as non-teaching jobs do in a year. We just cram it into a shorter time. No wonder we need the holidays to recover - and do all those jobs, marking, planning, researching etc that we don't have time to do during term time.
    I too almost gave up after 5 years through frustration at not being able to do the job I love without constant obstacles being put in my way. I moved to a private school where they left you alone to teach. Bliss! I now have time to do the research to improve my teaching, instead of just trying to survive on a daily basis.
    We have to invest in teachers if we want to improve teaching. Otherwise, we will end up with a rolling Profession that is made up with the majority of Professionals with less than 5 years experience.
    Unfortunately, this is fueled by a constant stream of people wanting to become teachers. If they knew what it was really like this might affect things. I truly believe that you cannot know what it is to be a teacher until you stand in front of a class and attempt to get students (ALL the students in the class) to learn something. Maybe we should make all politicians have a go.
    As you say, Charles, it would be inconceivable for Doctors or Lawyers or Engineers or Research Scientists to be made up that way.
    Good Luck in your quest.

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  18. As Jacky has said, we're strugging in the UK too. I've set up my own Blog... http://2000hoursat.blogspotcom so will be attempting to emulate your idea. I have watched eight newly qualified teachers come and go in our school over the past few years. Several have left for private education, a couple have left altogether and a few have left to have families - one felt having a family was her only "way out" of the school she had moved to. In the UK we're currently being asked to consider working until we are 68. My enthusiasm is waning just looking at that two digit number. That's not good for the teaching profession or society. We do need experienced teachers but we also need young blood in teaching, role models pupils can relate to. If we have to keep our jobs for 47 years where are the new jobs going to come from!

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  19. This is an awesome idea. I also blog about teaching (http://jessicalahey.com) and am SO excited to watch your progress over the 2,000 hours. Summer does not start in my neck of the woods (NH) until the 15th (and then, of course, there's all the end of the year crap), but I will be following and logging...Jess.

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  20. Yes, coaching and extra curricular sponsorship are typically "extras" while not necessarily required - someone does have to take those responsibilities. I am very interested in seeing how your data turns out.

    There are so many things expected of teachers that you have no choice in, although it isn't directly connected to your teaching your content. After hours faculty meetings, mandatory email, district training workshops, and, yes, continuing education. To recertify you must have 200 hrs of education in a 4 year time frame for Texas (numbers are from memory).

    As a technology specialist - there was a lot for me to learn that was new in the field but also so much wasted time finding things that were useful to me and my students/teachers. Our district instituted a standard technology credit system; 22 year old 1st year teachers and 60 year old pre-retired teachers all had to attend various workshops and complete homework. Teaching a 22 year old how to insert clip art? Hmmm.... If only it was all our choice.

    I imagine I was actually 'in building' for at least 1900 hours. 2000 will not be difficult considering how much work most teachers do at home and over holidays. I'm a stay at home mother who is homeschooling now but time/burn out definitely made that an easy choice to make.

    I did make an awesome graph one year of my work tracking - a neat little pie chart - that divided out all the junk they put us through, meaningful stuff we have to do and the work we are really there for into seperate pieces. It was amazing to see those slices for "faculty meeting" and "state testing" really add up.

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  21. Keith, let me set you straight on the 2000 hour thing. I just hit 2000 hours for 2011. This even with a three week spring break (gotta love boarding school holidays). Coaching? Part of the job description. Community service with the kids? Part of the job. Evening study hall duty? Saturday morning classes? Sunday afternoon SAT II prep classes? Saturday evening duty? Sunday evening library duty? Away meets on weekends and some weeknights? Dinner duty? Family style lunches? All part of the job description.

    I used to work in industry, from bench physicist to the executive suite. I worked hard, especially when in start-up mode. But never have I put in the hours that I put in as a teacher. Never. Not close. The difference is, now I know what my job is... to raise the kids. And I love it.

    Now, I must stop reading blogs and finish my comments and advisee letters (which will occupy at least 20 hours this weekend) so that I might start my summer vacation. Which includes hosting a physics teacher conference, teaching underprivileged kids for three weeks, and prepping four classes for the coming year. Lazy me.

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  22. Great idea!!

    Sadly, I'm one of those statistics who caved after 5 years...and let me tell you, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the kids or the actual "teaching". Rather, it was a combination of everything else that you touched on. Primarily, it was the political situation (both internally as well as public perception) as well as the increasing load of extras that were expected. We had an exercise once at a convention where we were asked to list all the initiatives our school had participated in over the course of the past 3 years...my colleague and I came up with 29. Yup - 29 NEW things that we were expected to take part in. And hardly any of them translated directly into the classroom art of teaching.

    So after many, many, MANY sleepless nights agonizing over how I could possibly leave a profession for which I had a passion, I made the leap and jumped ship. And you know what? My transition to the private sector has been PHENOMENAL these past 2 years. People always ask me (usually around this time of the year), "But don't you miss summers off?" To which I reply, "Sure. But I've actually gained more downtime in my life because I now get an extra 2 days a week to myself. Gaining weekends for 52 weeks a year = 104 days 'off', while I used to get approx. 56 in the summer. You do the math."

    I'd like to address Keith's comment regarding tracking the teaching vs. other stuff. Schools are not simply a building in which students learn curriculum. There are a million other events that shape these children as they grow into young adults, and if you survey the students, they'll often cite experiences outside of the traditional classroom as the events that impacted them the most. This means that unless we're all going to be heartless and indifferent to the overall goal of education -- creating well-rounded, well-versed individuals -- then the extra-curricular cannot be ignored. And not just in the traditional sense of sports teams either. This includes everything from service projects to school dances to community events. Do ALL teachers participate in these activities? No, but most students agree that those who show that they care by getting involved in some of these events are also those that are most respected and most able to make valuable connections inside the classroom as well.

    In terms of "teacher union days" which I'll assume means professional development days (as they're called in Canada), those are days built into job time. As in non-negotiable, paid for work days. So in my opinion, they perhaps shouldn't be logged. However, they are often the breeding ground for all these new initiatives that teachers are expected to complete in their "spare" time and therefore can lead to an even larger workload.

    Can't wait to follow this for the next year!! I'm spreading the word as much as possible! Good luck!!!

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  23. I love this. As a teacher struggling along with you, I am eager to see what your findings are.

    I must comment on something Keith Parsons said: "Even if you *do* get to 2,000 hours, and I'd be shocked to see you get even close, that's just a bare minimum for most professional jobs these days. Most successful folks I know are closer to 50 hours a week than 40..."
    To this, I reply that, sure, various professionals put in many extra hours; no one is saying otherwise. The point is that those other professionals who you call 'successful' are indeed such because they actually make money... right? They are in fact respected and PROPERLY COMPENSATED for the hours they work. Those working 50 hours a week (who are NOT teachers) will either receive generous overtime pay for every extra minute - or they'll be offered a proper salary in the first place which reflects their hours of hard work. Teaching is the only "professional" profession that does not pay overtime or a salary that is relative to the actual hours of time that goes into the job.
    Because teachers work with children - the most delicate, loved, and vulnerable in our society - we are expected to be generous, self-less, and go above and beyond... thus essentially turning us into professional volunteers. Since the nature of the job requires us to be 'soft' people, when we finally stand up for ourselves and our families by asking for a fair wage, we are immediately seen as hardhearted, merciless, or greedy. I can't think of any other profession that gets this stigma like teachers do.

    And by the way, where I teach, coaching or directing or any other extra-curricular is not optional; in fact, our staff members are each expected to take on TWO activities. And we are in no way paid for any of that.

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  24. I love this dialogue! THANK YOU for starting this blog and thank you to all who have commented so far! As someone who trained to be a teacher and scrapped it after less than one year, my heart aches to hear people make negative comments about teachers and education. My husband (who is also a teacher) is very frustrated by the current "state" of education, especially in Ohio where Senate Bill 5 has revoked collective bargaining rights. His school already has the lowest salary rates in our county and the teachers have essentially been on an unofficial "pay freeze" for the last few years. Now they want to enforce an actual pay freeze for the next couple years- without even offering incremental adjustments. There isn't much the teachers can do but bend over. The option to go to another school isn't always there unfortunately.

    Oh- and by the way... how many teachers end up spending time campaigning for their school levies to get passed so that they don't lose funding. It may not be "required" but losing funding results in losing good teachers too.

    It's a sad sad state that we're in and I pray that someday very soon people will realize just how valuable our schools and teachers really are. Don't punish the whole group just for a few bad apples (pun intended).

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  25. Hi Charles!
    I don't know you at all, yet, reading your words I felt as if you were reading my mind... I'm a teacher in Argentina, have been doing this job for over 18 years now... In fact, I've been teaching for about 25 years now, but a few of those years I did not work for schools but at language schools (which are not part of our educational system). Sadly, that was a step I needed to take so as to be able to start raising my children!

    I'd love to do what you're doing, but know I can't afford the time... so I'll do my best to at least follow you regularly... Somehow, it may help us all to know we're not alone...

    Question: what does your family think of your devoting Sundays to blogging here? Mine is about to burn me for being connected now (it's Sat afternoon in my part of the world!) ;-)

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  26. Love it! I'll be posting my hours on my blog at:
    http://meandmylaptop.weebly.com/2000-hours.html

    Great idea!

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  27. I stumbled on your blog while doing some catch-up professional reading and am thoroughly intrigued by your project. Having given up a tenured position because I wanted to specialize in online teaching, I'm no longer on a long list of committees. However, I'm also paid only about 70% of what my tenured colleagues earn; I receive no insurance benefits and have no chance for a sabbatical; I get the leftovers, and now that I'm teaching exclusively online, I work around the clock and the calendar. And, of course I do all of my own course prep which entails a good deal of technical learning as I prepare websites, lectures, videos, etc. which must all be ADA compliant. Don't even want to think about THOSE hours.

    Kudos to you, Charles. So glad someone has raised a hand and said, "Excuse me? You're not exactly describing the picture accurately." (or, "you're full of it").

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  28. What a great idea! Not surprisingly I suppose, teachers in Australia also have the same problem. All that money and all those holidays!

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  29. Inspiring! In Malaysia,teachers have the same problems. Only the committed ones..though.I don't what can I contribute here, but you have my prayers.What you are doing is very good indeed.

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  30. Hello from Vancouver, Canada! I love what you are doing here, thank you!

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  31. After reading this, I immediately became obsessed and created a google form to document my hours. My summer started a couple of weeks ago . . .I can not remember what I did last week. So, I started with logging this weeks hours. He is where I will post my info: http://www.missteacha.com/?page_id=2629

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  32. I'm new to teaching here in the States but I have faced the same problem back home in Australia. This is a really interesting project and it would be great to see a lot more teachers getting involved.

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  33. Hello from Rouen, France. As I was reading your post, I think I should have write exactly the same from France. We, french teachers, suffer of exactly the same attacks. We are the "boucs emissaires" (don't know how to translate this expression in english) of bad political and economical choices.
    Recent Publication in France :
    http://blogs.mediapart.fr/edition/les-invites-de-mediapart/article/080611/jaccuse-le-ministre-de-leducation-nationale

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  34. I'm in! Will back track and log for yesterday and today and the next year... :)

    Not childish, just proving our worth and work ethic...

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  35. This is my first day of "vacation" as well. I missed the work day on Friday due to the State Track Meet, and was a the Meet on Saturday as well. I am about to go to the District Office for a Math Curriculum Meeting. Nice start to the vacation.

    I will follow this with great interest.

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  36. Preach it brother! Day 1 summer "vacation" started today--tried to play with my children as well as get in time to work on my grad class project. Keep blogging!

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  37. Thanks for taking on the challenge of recording teachers' time spent outside the classroom for preparation and all the various tasks necessary to complete the job. In Maine, our last student day in my district is June 20th. But there will be additional days in the classroom. Conferences in the summer, including a district Literacy Institute, will add extra days. To prepare for the Lit Institute, required books will be read.
    I applaud you for speaking up. So many times, people in other professions will comment on "summers off". Only people in the profession and family members, who know how many hours are worked during the week, and also on the weekend preparing and correcting, appreciate the amount of time spent outside the classroom.
    This year, legislation was passed to increase the retirement age to 65. Previously, the age was 62 to get full benefits. Salary is based upon contracted days, but in reality, teachers work more than the contracted days.
    New legislation for Response to Intervention, and other initiatives keep teachers reeling, trying to keep up, too busy to address other issues in the workplace.
    Welcome summer!

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  38. 4 days of "summer" so far and I have logged 27.5 hours. And, I counted tearing down my elementary school classroom, preparing materials for the teacher that my students will have next year, emailing parents, participating in #edchat, and writing in my own blog. These ALL have to do with my "job."

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  39. I am also starting a blog of my hours for education. It is interesting to hear so many people bash teachers and education, it is hard to hear and read in the news.

    http://hoursofteaching.blogspot.com/

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  40. Hi charles,

    I have decided to join you,I do not know how long it will last but we shall see. I teach as a lecturer in Futher and Higher Education in the UK. There is more about that and my reasons in my first blog post at http://2000hoursmoreorless.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/welcome-to-my-new-blog-2000-hours-more-or-less/

    I must sya that I do not agree with thiose that say wer should not count CPD hours in the total. I do not know your full situaltion or indedd those of schoolteachers over here. However in FE in the UK, we have to do a minimum of 30hours documented CPD a year in order to keep our membership of the Institute for learning which is a condition of employment as a teacher by in FE law. Hence I say it counts. Good luck to you, I will be following you closely.

    Mike

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  41. If it is OK with you, I would like to paste your blog post on my blog, http://lessonpop.com/news/, so that I can help you with this awesome, important, timely project.

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  42. Hey Mr. Ripley, I guess we don't realize how tough a teachers job is until they speak out. This is a great website. And I hope more people are aware of this and there's more attention put on just how many hours a teacher works.
    Great Job!

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